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trumptonia
Posted - 29 March 2018 12:56
As has been said before he’s a stupid person’s idea of what a posh smart person looks like.

If you Britain are fooled by this sort of flummery you deserve everything you get you gutless fools.
Weally Been
Posted - 29 March 2018 12:59
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This guy's twitter handle has a European Union flag in it and he seems obsessed with how great France is lately

Hardly a neutral anecdoter...

Hal Incandenza
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:01
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A friend of mine (now also an MP) worked on his campaign in the Wrekin in 2001, which was an eminently winnable seat. He lost that too, with a swing against the Tories despite a national swing in their favour.

He was not well thought of locally.
Tee Pottt
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:06
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Should be entitled 'least surprising anecdote'
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:08
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The most troubling part is the bit about Johnson breaking with precedent and refusing a briefing. I wonder if he's still doing that.
I don't feel like dancewang
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:09
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This makes James Barisic sound like a horrible little toadying twatbadger tbh. Mogg's a tit, as is boris. Everyone seems to be remembering major thru the rose tinteds.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:09
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Of course he's not a real aristocrat, he's the son of journalist from Hammersmith who has read too many P. G. Wodehouse novels.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:13
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It's one thing to refuse a briefing from a party official as a candidate; it's another thing to keep doing it as Foreign Secretary.
SumoKing
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:33
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probably for the best though, will lead to a fcuk up epic enough to hose that shitt off the steps of parliament
Wellington
Posted - 29 March 2018 13:38
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Rees Mogg came across as arrogant and aloof?

Fvck me m7. Keep these scoops coming!

what's next? Boris Johnson revealed to be a bit of a bumbling twat?
Chambers
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:29
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Michael Gove is the same. He must have been parachuted into a safe Conservative seat near me. I've met him a couple of times, good with speeches, old ladies, young children and village fetes. Not that clever in my view.

That's about it. Off to Westminster.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:32
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Ooh, you can't criticise Gove or else bookem will be all over the thread saying what a lovely man he is in real life.

Another roffer is a friend of his too, I believe.....
SumoKing
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:49
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Gove might not be a malevolent and actually has given some thought to his ideology, unfortunately like all MPs that was formed when the world was very different and looming nuclear death or T 72s on the lawn were thought to be a thing

bar's not very high for "decent by Tory MP standards"

in fact possibly the only thing separating labour and conservative who both have an ultra conservative and terrifyingly old ladyish vision for the UK is that the Tories want it to make the rich richer and labour think it'll make the poors richer (but not too rich!), in which scenario you'd have to be a soulless monster to vote Tory (but then you always did)
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:53
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It's the fact that he's given thought to his ideology that's the problem. It's all hardline dogma from a true believer - someone was quoted as saying that he gives off "the scent of burning witches".
Lears Fool
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:53
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In order to be malevolent, you have to have given some thought to your ideology.

Gove is what happened when satan bummed a spitting image puppet.
January Sails
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:59
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So you're all telling me that if you were told to stand for a totally unwinnable seat you'd spend hours knocking on doors and carefully listening to briefings rather than putting in the bare minimum effort required to ensure that you were offered a slightly less hopeless seat in the next election?

I don't think he so much showed his contempt for the voters of Fife as his contempt for a system that required him to go to the other end of the country and waste time trying to achieve the utterly impossible. There's always the possibility that party HQ hoped he'd act this way so they could justify not offering him another seat.
Lears Fool
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:07
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Lears Fool
Posted - 29 March 2018 14:53
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In order to be malevolent, you have to have given some thought to your ideology.

Gove is what happened when satan bummed a spitting image puppet.



And Jacob R-M is the festering afterbirth of such unholy alanance.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:10
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So you're all telling me that if you were told to stand for a totally unwinnable seat you'd spend hours knocking on doors and carefully listening to briefings rather than putting in the bare minimum effort required to ensure that you were offered a slightly less hopeless seat in the next election?

Yeah, I would.

And I have knocked on doors in an unwinnable constituency, albeit not as the candidate.
January Sails
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:23
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Fair enough. I think generally that MP's should actually come from the constituency or reasonably nearby rather than parachuting in which would remove complete strangers just turning up before an election to introduce themselves.

I wish the local Labour party would stop knocking on my door on a Sunday morning when I'm in bed.
Used Psychology
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:26
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Sails, you have to start somewhere and knocking doors in a hopeless situation is where it all starts.

You;d also want him to engage better with the local party, if only out of sympathy and respect that they were all Tories and these were people he'd expect to campaign for him. I have no idea what activists see in him as an offer to voters.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:27
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Yes, I think parachuting people in is a very bad practice.

The candidate for Fife Central should have been someone like Sumo.
trumptonia
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:39
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Is it poppers?
Used Psychology
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:43
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The objection is not to out of constituency candidates, it's to those out of constituency candidates being assholes.
Used Psychology
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:50
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Note I said out of constituency candidates, not parachuted ones.

See the difference?
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:57
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"Parachuting" isn't just about a candidate coming from outside the constituency - the implication is also that the local party has been leant on (or overruled completely, in some cases). It's patent that Rees-Mogg had patronage of some sort. So did Thatch, if I remember correctly from Moore's bio.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 15:58
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And the story of how B/lair got Sedgefield has never been told, although I hear vague rumours from time to time about how it was stitched up.
pugnosedgimp
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:06
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Moggster is at least from the area he represents - Somerset. or at least he split his formative years between there and London.

, while not from Sedgefield, did have some connection to the area as he had lived in Durham when his dad was a professor there.

the current obsession with MPs needing to be ultra-local is tedious. As a previous poster listed, some of the dominant political persons of the past century were not originally from the seat they represented, and if you take that approach to its extreme it would prevent anyone from a comfortable background from being a Labour MP, and vice versa for the Tories. Clem Attlee, who had attended Haileybury, was MP for Limehouse (jn fact his work in the district in the 1910s was credited for converting him to the Labour cause). Mrs T wasn't from Finchley (her London home was at Flood Street in Chelsea), but I presume her fairly middle of the road upbringing in Lincs had given her some affinity with the sort of middle class homeowning voters of Finchley in 1959.

Osborne was never a Yorkshire MP - Tatton is in Cheshire.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:24
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As a previous poster listed, some of the dominant political persons of the past century were not originally from the seat they represented

That's a bit misleading because the role of the MP in, say, Attlee's day was different. The modern concept of constituency work had yet to develop. I remember reading somewhere that an MP might visit his constituency once a year, on which occasion the mayor and brass band would turn out at the railway station.
January Sails
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:43
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I'm not saying your MP needs to be a born and bred local but they should have some connection with the area other than just being chosen by the party to stand for your seat. Local MP where I grew up isn't originally from the area but had at least moved there and lived there for a few years before standing as a local candidate.
Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:46
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The modern idea of constituency work is daft to my mind. The MP absolutely should be representing his constituency in parliament and to do that he or she needs to know the constituency and the issues that matter to those who live there. He or she shouldn't generally be fvck ar9sing around pushing the council to fix the drain outside Mrs Miggin's house or whatever. Too much of that has crept in in my view and there is a touch of hair shirt/virtue signalling about it or in some cases just that it offers 'easy wins' for long time back benchers to feel better about themselves and their role.

MP's should be working in parliament and, in particular, in committee shaping the national agenda and making sure their constituency has a voice in that agenda.
pugnosedgimp
Posted - 30 March 2018 22:22
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:24
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As a previous poster listed, some of the dominant political persons of the past century were not originally from the seat they represented

That's a bit misleading because the role of the MP in, say, Attlee's day was different. The modern concept of constituency work had yet to develop. I remember reading somewhere that an MP might visit his constituency once a year, on which occasion the mayor and brass band would turn out at the railway station.

is that actually true, or has this impression arisen because we don't remember the backbenchers from the 1920s-50s, and only remember the major players who, if they were in government, would naturally have had less attention to lavish on their constituencies?

Alan Clark didn't live in his seat (in Plymouth), but almost at the other end of the country. His early memoirs are full of his anxieties that he wont be selected again by the local committee because he doesn't seem interested enough in his seat.
Zan00
Posted - 30 March 2018 22:40
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We need a JRM meme that he can't escape from...
B0YC0TT
Posted - 31 March 2018 22:20
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" I was sat"

I have some sympathy with JR-M's assessment of the value of the advice he was being offered.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:13
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Someone wrote a long screed a while back how the local union Bennite had been stitched up

You mean Les Huckfield? I'd be very interested to see that. Do you have a link?
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:26
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Hitchens' theory is a different one, Hanners, to do with B/lair joining Labour rather than becoming a candidate. He says that the young B/lair joined Labour because he was a Trostkyite infiltrator. His reasoning is that B/lair has admitted to flirting with Trotskyism, the Wilson-era Labour Party was despised by student radicals, and Trots had a policy of infiltration. I suppose it might be true.
Hal Incandenza
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:34
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I can see literally no possibility that Hitchens, who famously went on a "journey" from deranged leftism to equally deranged rightism, could possibly be projecting his own story onto that of long-time centrist .
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:38
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Well, his reasoning is that B/lair, as a youthful leftist, can have had no good reason for joining Labour, because youthful leftists at the time despised the stodgy old compromising party of Wilson and Callaghan. So why would he join? Well, he's on record as having been a Trot, and it's undisputed that Trots tried to infiltrate Labour, so.....

I'm not saying I believe it, but it's not David Icke stuff either.
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 13 April 2018 11:17
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255 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 29 March 2018 16:33
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Reggie, I pointedly did not go back to the mid-century greats, my examples were recent.

There are those older MPs who regard the modern concept of constituency work as a distraction from holding the Executive to account in Parliament. It is an old-fashioned view in the modern whipped Commons, but some still hold the belief (not a bad one, really) that constituency work is mostly for councillors to handle, save where a national angle demands the MP's assistance.



I agree with this. I look at the matters of huge national and global import in the news and then I see my MP's news feed with all the parochial, peripheral rubbish that is his daily work in the constituency and wonder what the hell the Council and the local party are for.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 13 April 2018 11:23
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That can be seen differently, though.

In the firm in the Loop, we saw the Minister of Defence during the run-up to the Iraq War being pulled away from meetings in Washington DC with the Donald Rumsfeld character to deal with a dispute that a constituent of his (Steve Coogan) was having with one of his neighbours.

I thought that that was one of the great glories of the British system.
kc101
Posted - 13 April 2018 17:10
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But it is very funny.

Mattis: "Get me Britain's defense secretary now - we need to talk Syria."

Underling: "Sorry sir, London tells me he is being briefed about hedgehogs."

Mattis: "Hedgehogs? The WWII-era anti-submarine weapons? Jesus, the Royal Navy is in a worse state than I ever imagined!"

Underling: "No, erm...the small animals, the ones that live in hedges, with all the prickly spines?"

Mattis: *sighs* "Get me Paris...."