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11 May 2018
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A senior partner at a major UK firm has been stalking a newly-qualified lawyer who wants to end their affair.

The male partner has been harassing the female NQ in an attempt to prolong their affair, said sources, which began when she was a trainee at the firm. In order to protect the identity of the junior solicitor, who has not spoken directly to RollOnFriday, details including the name of the firm have not been included.

Despite the NQ's repeated attempts to end the liaison, said a source, the married partner refuses to leave her alone. Each time she blocks his number, he buys a new phone on which to text and call. And despite not working directly under him, "he corners her on the stairs and gives her work seemingly unnecessarily". It comes as Linklaters launched a policy this week requiring staff to report work relationships, in a bid to address conflicts created by unbalanced power dynamics.

  On the one hand, all partners gave her seemingly unnecessary work. On the other hand, only he had tattooed her face on his hands and made them tell him she loved him.

"He will not let her move on" and "she cannot get away", said a source, who accused the partner of "entirely abusing their position of power". This "is what #metoo was all about", said the insider. "If we aren’t calling out men who behave like this, then we do women in the legal profession a complete disservice". 

If you would like to tell your story to RollOnFriday, or know the "inappropriate behaviour" which led to Quinn Emanuel sacking partner Mark Hastings this week, do get in touch.

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anonymous user
11/05/2018 09:36
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Evidence?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 09:37
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That's assuming that there was 'inappropriate behaviour', whatever that means.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 09:58
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This is sinister behaviour and needs to be dealt with. In many cases this kind of solipsistic, hidden, psychological harassment escalates into physical abuse. It must make life hell for the junior and will probably have an impact on her performance at work as well as her well-being. I hope that the senior person involved comes to his senses or that the junior finds a way to go public about it without jeopardising her own career and future but as we know, law firms do not have a good track record in matters like this.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:05
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@09:58 - although we don't know if the allegations are true.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:20
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I wonder why every story about a topic other than sexual harassment isn't inundated with cries of "Evidence?" etc.?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:38
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@ 10:05 Speak for yourself. Don't "we" the rest of us like some cheap second-rate politician.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:38
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@10:20 - Its because of the tendency for stories about sexual harassment to be presented without evidence. What did you think the reason was?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:52
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@ 10:38 - please don't tell me how to speak. I'm only speaking the truth - we don't know if the allegations are true, unless you know otherwise.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 10:55
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I wonder why the need for evidence is only questioned in relation to stories on sexual harassment, etc.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 11:07
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Sounds like the culprit is in attendance in the comments section...

Did you buy a new burner phone today yet?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 11:08
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As for evidence, the texts/calls to her phone from him using multiple new numbers as they are blocked are presumably available. Seems unlikely someone would make up a story so easily disprovable from easily available records.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 11:11
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and what does his wife think of his behaviour?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 11:14
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@11.07 - that's right, only the accused could possibly disagree with you, it couldn't possibly be the case that someone neutral might question the story. We don't know if there is a 'culprit' or who the 'culprit' is.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 11:33
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@10:38 - And you think the other stories are usually presented with evidence? Srsly? I'm trying to work out the last time I saw RoF run any story based on anything other than a court/tribunal decision where even one person asked where the evidence was, let alone 3 out of the first 4 comments.

Something about this type of story particularly touches a nerve with certain commenters who seem very aggrieved that anyone could even suggest that certain blokes act badly at work. I couldn't possibly comment on why this is the case - I don't have an insight into the way their brains work.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 12:04
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@11.33 - these types of story are particularly notable for being presented without evidence, and for the reactions of some people when evidence is requested. Actually only one of the first four comments askes for evidence, the others referred to by you state that we don't actually know what happened in each case mentioned. People of both genders act badly at work unfortunately.

My experience is that this type of story touches a nerve with certain commenters who seem very aggrieved at the suggestion that an accusation may in fact not reflect what happened in reality, with some people even making accusations against people who request evidence and like to see due process followed.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 12:06
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@11:11 - and that of his colleague!
anonymous user
11/05/2018 12:14
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I can't quite come to terms with the stupidity of someone who expects evidence to be produced to back up a news story which stands on keeping all participants anonymous. Do you expect them to produce the phones and the messages, backed up with quotes from witnesses? Do you honestly think Roll On Friday has anything to gain from making this up? You sound like the same commentator who felt that the biggest problem with the racist students was that they got found out.
Lydia
11/05/2018 13:52
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Change "have been included" to "have been excluded"
anonymous user
11/05/2018 14:34
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anonymous user
11/05/2018 12:04
@11.33 - these types of story are particularly notable for being presented without evidence

Where's your evidence for that claim?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 15:19
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@14:34 - this article
anonymous user
11/05/2018 15:32
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@11:08 - that's right, the phone records would indeed be evidence, number of calls/texts sent, number of times phone was changed, whether the phone was only used to call/text the accuser, that kind of thing. Of course, the mere fact that an allegation is easily disproved if false doesn't mean that the allegation must be true, in the same way that just because evidence against the partner could easily be obtained if the accusation were true doesn't mean that the accusation is false. Its important to look at evidence both supporting and refuting the allegations, not just one side.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 16:02
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@12:14 - sorry that you find the expectation of evidence to back up an allegation to be 'stupidity'. Have you ever considered a career In law? Always remember, accusation does not equal guilt.
Whether or not the participants are anonymous is irrelevant at this point, I can think of several ways in which evidence could be indicated. If you read the article there are several quotes attributed to a witness, but without further evidence these are meaningless. Why do you think that I 'honestly believe' that ROF made this article up?
Sorry, I don't know what other commentator you are talking about.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 18:35
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@15:19 - One single article evidences your assertion that "these types" of stories are "particularly notable" for being presented without evidence? Sound logic, dude.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 18:38
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@16:04 - last time Rof published a story that revealed more of their evidence, one of the firms clearly pulled the story.

Whilst I think they have been far far too kind to firms they have had multiple complaints about from many many many sources, even I wouldn't think Rof would be so silly to make that mistake twice.

Just because the evidence hasn't been included in the article doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 18:41
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"anonymous user
11/05/2018 16:02
@12:14 - sorry that you find the expectation of evidence to back up an allegation to be 'stupidity'. Have you ever considered a career In law? Always remember, accusation does not equal guilt."

You are aware that Rof isn't a court, aren't you? And that unless someone has been identified, this accusation hardly triggers the need for due process?
anonymous user
11/05/2018 19:30
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@18:35 - I know, thanks, recommend you try it. Still, at least you acknowledge the article contains no evidence. There are others like it. Dude.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 19:42
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@19:30 - sorry, didn't realise you were actually that ignorant. One example cannot prove a statement relating to multiple instances. Hopey helpy x
anonymous user
11/05/2018 19:43
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@18:38 - multiple complaints don't necessarily mean that those claims are true. Why would ROF pull a story if it included evidence which supported it? We don't know if the evidence exists or not. We do know that we haven't seen it however.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 19:50
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I know at least one of them was true, because it happened to me. I don't know why rof pulled the story they did - bit too worried about revenue is my guess - but I also know that one was true as well.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 20:46
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@19:42 - that's ok dude, I'm not 'that ignorant', more a case of you misunderstanding my comment - there are probably a lot of things you don't realise! I didn't say the example I gave was the sole example. Anyway, glad you acknowledge that this article contains no evidence, so yes, you have helped, thank you.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 20:56
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@18:41 - your observation that ROF isn't a court is correct. It is still important to be able to support your allegations if asked though. Accusation doesn't equal guilt.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 21:17
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@19:50 - although I'm not familiar with your story, if you were sexually harassed I'm very sorry, its a horrible thing, and difficult to speak out about. Where an allegation is made to someone who wasn't there and if the accused denies what they are accused of, it is usually impossible to 'know' exactly what happened, so all one can do is look at any available evidence, hear both sides, and try to reach a fair and unbiased conclusion - this is the only fair way to look at complaints. That's why its so important that articles such as this are backed up with some evidence.

I would hope that ROF aren't pulling evidence-supported accusation for revenue reasons, but I suppose we can't 'know' if that one was true unless we were there or both parties completely agree as to what happened.
anonymous user
11/05/2018 21:54
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11/05/2018 19:30
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@18:35 - I know, thanks, recommend you try it. Still, at least you acknowledge the article contains no evidence. There are others like it. Dude.

Except for the witness they have quoted.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 06:50
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Why would you cry "evidence" on a story like this? It's a gossip story. The only reason I can imagine for demanding evidence on a story like this, when it's clearly not possible for any to be presented, is if you're one of those people who wants to deny or conceal the existence of sexual harassment.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 07:28
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@21:54 11/05 - except they quote "sources" - we don't actually know if they are witnesses or not. Not even close to evidence I'm afraid.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 07:58
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@6:50 - the story isn't presented as a work of fiction though. That being the case, its a bit more than 'gossip' to the accuser and the accused. Its obviously possible to present evidence here, I can think of several pieces of evidence which could be given. The only reason I can imagine for criticising requests for evidence on a story like this is that you wish to deny or conceal the possibility of false allegations and silence men from speaking up about this type of sexual harassment.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 10:06
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The only way there can be people involved is if the facts are true. More to the point, no-one is obligated to provide evidence to you even though you recognise yourself in the story since no individual has been named.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 11:24
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@10:06 - no, people can be involved in allegations. This story is held out to be true - ROF is not a fiction site. I don't see myself in the story (as accused or accuser) - my reason for requesting evidence is to attempt to judge whether the story reflects an accurate reflection of events - for the article to have credibility I'm entitled to request evidence.

It is always a mistake to assume that someone asking for evidence must be the accused person themselves as any neutral person would surely want to see evidence before deciding whether or not something is true.

I would think that if an individual felt they were identifiable from the story, they would be entitled to ask if they were one of the party's involved, and if they were, to request evidence backing up the events reported. Would be interested to hear any dissenting views.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 12:32
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So you're asking for evidence "for a friend".
anonymous user
12/05/2018 13:34
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@12:32 - no, as I said, my reason for requesting evidence is to attempt to judge whether the story reflects an accurate reflection of events. I'm not the accused or the accuser, nor (as far as I'm aware) do I know them.

Its a mistake to assume that someone asking for evidence must be the accused person themselves or associated with them as any neutral person would surely want to see evidence before deciding whether or not something is true.

Lot's of criticism and insinuations relating to comments requesting evidence, but still no evidence though.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 13:40
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Why do you ask 12:32, do you have evidence of the claims in this article?
anonymous user
12/05/2018 14:45
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@11:24

You say:

my reason for requesting evidence is to attempt to judge whether the story reflects an accurate reflection of events - for the article to have credibility I'm entitled to request evidence

I ask: Why do you care so much?

anonymous user
12/05/2018 16:44
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@14:45 - what a curious question!

I answer: for the same reason anyone reading a series of unsubstantiated allegations asks for evidence.

What you should ask: why does anyone care so much that evidence is being requested?
anonymous user
12/05/2018 17:21
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I wonder if this fellow knows that as well as a phone number every mobile phone has a unique IMEI number that is transmitted every time it is used to contact someone. This number follows the phone from it's manufacture to sale and so if he bought it with a credit card, debit card or with paypal he will be identifiable as the purchaser. If he bought it with cash he will have been asked to give his name and address at the time of purchase and that will have been recorded. Simply put, if the recipient has kept his text messages then, with a little time and effort, he can be connected with them even if he thinks he has been anonymous.

Mind you, since he didn't send them he's probably setting the dogs on Roll On Friday at this very moment to get the libellous story removed. Or something.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 18:54
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@16:44 - Excellent. So I'm sure we'll see you pursue calls for evidence on stories not remotely related to sexual harassment with equal vigour then. Like you clearly have already judging by previous stories.... oh wait.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 19:01
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@17:21 - exactly, the phone evidence would be revealing. It would show the number of calls/texts, any exchange of messages, whether a new phone was bought 'each time' the number was blocked, if it was blocked, whether the phone was actually bought to text/call the accuser. If he didn't make the calls/texts then none of this evidence will exist. Unfortunately the article provides no evidence of any of this, not even whether the source quoted has any direct knowledge of the claims made or has any knowledge of the contents of the calls/texts, etc. At the moment, we simply don't know if there is any substance to the claims.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 19:21
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@18:44 - evidence?

You don't get to decide what stories I request evidence I support.

Do you only question people asking for evidence in stories related to sexual harassment? If so, why? Oh wait...
anonymous user
12/05/2018 19:58
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@18:54 - and I'm sure we'll see you asking people why they only question the need for evidence on stories related to sexual harassment with equal vigour then.Like you clearly have already judging by previous stories.... oh wait.

Your time would be more productively spent questioning the lack of or providing evidence related to this story rather then trying to divert the conversation away from the fact that there is precisely none.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 21:37
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Nah - it's far more fun winding up the obvious misogynists digging themselves a hole on this thread. Please keep it up. At this rate, we might tun the comments.
anonymous user
12/05/2018 21:47
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anonymous user
11/05/2018 20:46

I didn't say the example I gave was the sole example


True, you also didn't say that you're an uptight NQ who thinks this #metoo stuff has been taken too far, but that could equally be inferred from your answer. We wait the rest of the evidence of your claim with "interest".
anonymous user
13/05/2018 07:34
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@21:37 12/05 - so, still no evidence then.

Sorry you feel that men who ask for evidence about sexual harassment claims are 'obvious misogynists' - I sincerely hope you develop out of these views as they don't help people genuine sexual harassment complainants.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 07:39
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@21:47 12/05 - thanks, dude, glad we agree that this article doesn't contain any evidence. Well done for inferring all of that from one sentence - only took you a day. The other evidence of sexual harassment stories without evidence is easily available online - why don't you have a look and compile a report with some examples. We look forward to receiving it with interest.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 09:08
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How does the source know that the phones are 'burner phones'?
anonymous user
13/05/2018 09:39
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Great work by Roll On Friday with this story. The nature of stalking is that it is a hidden offence and has a massively detrimental affect on the victim. Perhaps the perpetrator, when he sees this, will be realise that he cannot continue on his current path without consequences.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 09:49
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And of course he's done it you idiot. And of course there's evidence. You can't send electronic messages these days without leaving a footprint of some kind unless you're doing something a lot more sophisticated than using a disposable phone.

The fact that you're making this issue a bridge you're willing to die on says more about you than it does about the rights and wrongs of publishing the story.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 10:30
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A burner phone is a disposable, pre-paid, pay-as-you-go mobile. Unless the person involved is starting a lot of new phone service contracts then it's the only way it can be done.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 11:49
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Actually there are services you can use to send text messages from your computer so there's no need to buy a mobile phone. But they are usually traceable too.

See privacy disclaimer for one such service below.

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/e/ea/1080483-7.jpg/aid1080483-v4-728px-1080483-7.jpg
anonymous user
13/05/2018 15:20
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@9:39 - although we don't know what perpetration has taken place or if there has been 'stalking'.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 15:24
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@9:49 - what has he done and how do you know? What evidence do you know of?

Request for evidence - hardly 'a bridge I'm willing to die on'.

You'll be more credible if you back up what you're saying and don't fling insults at people you disagree with.
anonymous user
13/05/2018 15:33
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@10:30 - thanks, fair point. Although @11:39 says there might be other ways messages could be sent without using a burner phone, and its possible that other contract phones could be used, it does seem a reasonable assumption for the 'source' (or maybe ROF) to make that a burner phone was used if the messages were sent.
anonymous user
15/05/2018 06:59
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Self-awareness sale for Mr Evidence

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anonymous user
15/05/2018 10:14
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How many different phones did the 'source' say were used, including the one which was originally blocked?
anonymous user
15/05/2018 20:15
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Mr Evidence on here sounds like one of those hideous millennials who want to publicly judge any news article based on what THEY see, or it didn't happen. Idiots. There's a reason this story is anon - it is protecting the complainant and the alleged stalker.
anonymous user
16/05/2018 09:01
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@06:59 & 20:15 15/05 - someone's getting excited! Requesting evidence isn't the same as requesting the identities of the people involved.
anonymous user
16/05/2018 12:37
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How long did the 'source' say that the affair lasted for and when does the 'source' believe that it ended?
anonymous user
16/05/2018 13:56
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@12:37 Why is the word "source" in inverted commas in your post? Are you doubting the integrity of the source or are you doubting the existence of the source and therefore the integrity of Roll On Friday?
anonymous user
16/05/2018 15:48
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How do we know that this story is real? How do I know I'm real? What if we're living in the Matrix? Is anything real? Perhaps we're in a fake reality created by hyper-intelligent cats who are secretly harvesting our organs?

Where is the EVIDENCE?! Good God, I need evidence.
anonymous user
16/05/2018 16:08
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@15:48 - but if the cats are male its obviously misogynistic to ask for evidence. Best just to believe whatever you're told.
anonymous user
16/05/2018 17:49
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Its because the word 'source' was lifted from the story, @13:56. Your choice of question interested me and I was wondering if it was because you are doubting the integrity of the 'source' or are you doubting the existence of the 'source' and therefore the integrity of Roll On Friday?
anonymous user
17/05/2018 12:38
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Sexual harassment claims are mostly fabricated. That's why there are so few prosecutions and dismissals for it. Women tend to be over-emotional. Freud coined the term hysteria for a reason. Women are the perpetrators far more often that the victims - they're just allowed to do it. Have you ever watched women at a male strip club? Disgusting.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 06:29
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I think the point is that stories like this, in the case that they are not backed up with evidence, even when no-one is named can destroy a person’s reputation and career. The legal world is small and it doesn’t take long for rumours to get around about who the article is about. It’s trial by the media - which is completely unfair - especially, for example, when internal investigations find no fault but rather a consensual affair. People ending up losing jobs for something that in any other profession you would not - and it’s not because what they have done but more because the firm are worried about how existing clients, new clients, employees and prospective employees will view the firm now such stories have been run. I really think roll on Friday should have more consideration of such matters before going to print - to me they are ruining people for a quick buck at times. I am not saying every alleged harasser is innocent but more investigations should be made before articles are published.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 06:34
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Don't be ridiculous. The legal world would have to be much smaller - four people in one law firm, basically - for anyone to be able to even begin guessing about the identity of the partner in this story. Unless the story were true, that is. Rollonfriday doesn't mention the name of the partner, or even the name of the firm! Are you saying rumours are currently sweeping the country, wrecking every partner's life?.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 07:07
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No - did I say every partner’s life was being wrecked?! Some people, probably quite a few, at the firm in question will know the rumours and will tell their mates in other firms, who tell theirs and so on and so forth. Very naive to think otherwise.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 07:13
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By the way, roll on Friday founder - if you went around in your legal career being so dismissive of other people’s views I am not surprised you decided to leave the profession. One day you’ll step too far over the line and will get sued. Not named for the girl’s protection or for your own? It must be nice living in the bubble of self denial that you don’t do anything wrong.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 07:27
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Ooo - screening comments again?
Lydia
18/05/2018 13:49
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It would not surprise me at all. His phone history, his trips to buy the burner phones, people in the office watching how he behaves and all that kind of thing is good evidence.
anonymous user
18/05/2018 15:25
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@13:49 - likewise, it wouldn't be a surprise at all if it wasn't true. Phone history, trips to buy 'burner' phones (if he made them), what his colleagues actually saw, how he behaved - all of this would be good evidence of what happened, but we don't know about any of it.
anonymous user
20/05/2018 15:24
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These meninists do love to correct other people's thinking.
anonymous user
20/05/2018 18:54
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@15:24 - although of course it isn't only males who suggest that evidence should be considered as part of the thought process.
anonymous user
21/05/2018 09:23
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It's only meninists and sexual harassers who think that all sexual harassment stories are about them.

It's only meninists and sexual harassers who think that stories in which the parties are deliberately anonymised should still produce identifying information for their benefit.

It's only meninists and sexual harassers who want to pretend that sexual harassment of women doesn't exist.

#just sayin'
anonymous user
21/05/2018 09:33
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I'm glad there's someone standing up for people who want to keep reports of sexual harassment out of the public eye. I'm particularly glad that we can use demands to identify parties in sensitive matters to prevent interference in ongoing harassment. How can I feel comfortable stalking someone if there's a possibility that I might be called to account? I should be allowed to do it without being persecuted.
anonymous user
21/05/2018 10:10
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@9:33 - although requesting evidence to back up allegations isn't the same as requesting that the parties be identified or keeping reports out of sexual harassment out of the public eye. Anyone stalking people by making false accusations should of course be called to account.
anonymous user
21/05/2018 10:21
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@9:23 - so, still no evidence then?

As you know, requesting evidence to back up allegations is not the same as requesting the identity of the people involved. Its only sexual harassers who get nervous when evidence is requested to substantiate allegations and criticise those making the requests. Sexual harassment does exist, but in this case we simply don't know if the person being sexually harassed is a woman or a man.

#justsayin'
anonymous user
21/05/2018 13:11
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What evidence would satisfy you?
anonymous user
21/05/2018 15:20
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Surely this is the equivalent of one of those stories in the newspapers which begins "This reporter has heard..." or "A little bird has told me...". Is the publisher under any sort of legal obligation to provide evidence to support such a story? No they are not. From here it looks as if the person demanding evidence (who is surely a man and will doubtless pretend to be a woman in response to this comment) has an agenda. It's not worth making this much fuss about otherwise.
anonymous user
21/05/2018 17:45
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"Sexual harassment does exist, but in this case we simply don't know if the person being sexually harassed is a woman or a man."

@ 10:21 Apart from the bit of the article which says "male partner has been harassing the female NQ" you are completely accurate. Did you read the article before posting your comment? Did you read your comment before posting your comment?

anonymous user
21/05/2018 18:14
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@13:11 - a good start would be answers to the questions asked and evidence requested in other comments.
anonymous user
21/05/2018 23:37
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A better start would be to realise you're making a fool of yourself. You're owed nothing. This isn't a court. It's a website. You might as well go to your room and shout "it's not fair".
anonymous user
22/05/2018 08:39
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@15:20 21/05 - don't believe everything you read in the newspapers!

Legal obligation isn't the same as good practice.

I am not a man pretending to be a woman, but I do have an agenda. The agenda is to see evidence supporting the allegations in the story. I don't know why you think only a man pretending to be a woman would be interested in seeing evidence to support unsubstantiated allegations. From here it looks as if those wanting to stop the evidence getting out have a questionable agenda. It's not worth there making this much fuss about otherwise.
anonymous user
22/05/2018 08:43
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@17:45 21/05 - yes and yes. But you forgot the bit where just because the article says something doesn't mean that thing actually happened. Thanks for showing so clearly why evidence is needed.
anonymous user
22/05/2018 08:53
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@23:37 21/05 - sorry you feel that its foolish and unfair to request evidence in support of unsubstantiated allegations, but you're probably not the best person to judge if its taken you since May 11th to realise we're not in court!
anonymous user
22/05/2018 16:13
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And I'm sure no-one at all thinks you've got a bee in your bonnet about sexual harassment and all these comments have been motivated by your concern for standards in journalism.
anonymous user
22/05/2018 18:15
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@16:13 - although we don't know if sexual harassment took place. And I'm sure no-one at all thinks your trying to stop evidence being revealed is because you've got a bee in your bonnet about sexual harassment.
anonymous user
23/05/2018 19:54
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If what you take from the thread above that someone is trying to stop evidence from being revealed then you have lost your way a little bit.
anonymous user
23/05/2018 20:42
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Give it up m6. You sound at best like some smart arse NQ who thinks he's making a savvy point, and at worst like a sexual harasser trying to make sure that stories like this are buried. Either way, you definitely don't come across as very bright.
anonymous user
24/05/2018 08:29
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@23/05 19:54 - if you don't take that then you don't have a way to lose.
anonymous user
24/05/2018 08:48
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@23/05 20:42 - although brighter than you if you think only NQs or sexual harassers would look to see evidence to support unsubstantiated allegations. You look at best like someone who has decided at the outset what they're going to believe regardless and at worst like a sexual harasser trying to make sure that evidence supporting accusations in stories like this is buried. Neither is good.
anonymous user
24/05/2018 12:44
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What was the accused's version of events when asked to give his side of the story?
anonymous user
25/05/2018 07:41
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The "accused"? I thought this wasn't a court. Make your mind up. You're trying to have it both ways but women won't shut up. As someone said before, this is a very strange bridge to choose to die on.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 07:42
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Ton.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 08:39
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@7:42 - ton and one. And still no evidence.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 08:49
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@7:41 - Yes, the accused. People don't only get accused in court. You're trying to have it both ways but men won't shut up. As someone else said before, requesting evidence is hardly a 'bridge to die on'. Let's see some evidence supporting the allegations in this story.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 08:54
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accused
?'kju?zd
noun
a person or group of people who are charged with or on trial for a crime.
"the accused was ordered to stand trial on a number of charges"


Hope that clears things up for you. Now off you trot back to the schoolbooks and the pick-up artist websites.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 09:01
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"You're trying to have it both ways but men won't shut up."

Haha. Actually it's just you mate.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 09:13
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@09:01 - actually its not mate, there are many people who look to see evidence to support unsubstantiated allegations.
anonymous user
25/05/2018 09:30
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@08:54 - if the best you're able to do is cut and paste one out of several definitions of a word with a couple of personal insults thrown in then you're floundering badly. Just proves how often false accusations and misleading statements can be made (and no, statements aren't only made in court). This story is beginning to look dicey without evidence.
anonymous user
26/05/2018 09:43
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Mr Evidence, I don't think you realise that multiple people are disagreeing with you here.

You still haven't indicated what evidence would satisfy you. Or grasped the concept that the fact RoF has chosen not to publish the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Or substantiated why RoF should publish the evidence, when that would 1. Get the story pulled (as it has previously) and thereby ensure that the nasty slimebags who are doing this crap in many law firms over the city should be protected further than they are already; and 2. out the victim and likely guarantee they are shoved out of the firm.
anonymous user
26/05/2018 09:51
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Kiddo, I don't see you equally ranting about the need for evidence on stories not about sexual harassment. Where's your outrage on this thread for instance?

[a]http://www.rollonfriday.com/TheNews/EuropeNews/tabid/58/Id/5620/fromTab/58/currentIndex/35/Default.asp[/a]

One might almost think you were just determined to silence stories about bad behaviour by men in power.
anonymous user
28/05/2018 08:22
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@26/05 09:43 - Mrs None, I don't think you realise that multiple people disagree with you and think evidence needs to be seen to support unsubstantiated allegations.

I have said what evidence would be a good start, and that I don't think that the evidence doesn't exist, I said I'd like to see it. You're still making the mistake of thinking that providing evidence is the same as identifying the parties.Why do you think providing evidence of allegations would get the story pulled? In this case we don't know whether the 'slimebag'or 'victim' is the accuser or the accused, and which one will be 'guaranteed' to leave if identified. You've failed to provide or request a shred of evidence to support any of what you say. Making factually incorrect statements won't change that.
anonymous user
28/05/2018 12:23
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@26/05 09:51 - kiddo, although you don't know what I do or don't comment on, it is still the case that sexual harassment stories are often presented with no evidence.

Looks like your way of arguing that evidence isn't necessary to substantiate allegations is.....to request a comment criticising a lack of evidence! But thanks for valuing my opinion!

If you wish me to comment on another story please:
1) In the interests of consistency on your part, first post a comment unequivocally requesting evidence for the story here.
2) As nobody (including you) has commented on the story you sent the link for, provide some background as to why you are asking for a comment - do you think that story lacks evidence, why you are 'ranting' about that story, the reasons for your 'outrage' about it, etc.

I'll then consider your request.

Otherwise one might almost think you were just determined to exaggerate harassment by males in order to silence stories about bad behaviour by women in power.
anonymous user
28/05/2018 13:49
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@ the "Mrs None" reference - your assumption that your detractors are female reveals more about your sexist mindset. I am a bloke, FAOD. Not all of us are interested in keeping cretins in power.

And you still haven't answered the questions.
anonymous user
29/05/2018 07:00
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@28/05 13:49 - Mrs None - your assumption that my assumption that your detractors are female reveals more about your sexist mindset. I don't believe that you're male FAOD. But its heartening that you're not interested in keeping 'cretins' in power (hopefully you mean 'cretins' of each gender). Although of course in this case we have no evidence that there are 'cretins' in power.

You've still failed to ask the questions.
anonymous user
12/06/2018 18:38
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To all the people on this thread confused about how "evidence" works, and leaving aside that this is a news article where sources are protected in a completely normal way, rather than a Court that is actually hearing evidence and making a decision... A person accusing another of unlawful behaviour (which if true would be what this is) does not require statements from "other colleagues" or documents to prove the case. Their own statements quite obviously count as "evidence". The question is the weight accorded to evidence of various kinds, and that can depend on many factors. It's odd that we have a bunch of lawyers here who don't seem to have come across this concept - witness statements anyone!? How many cases for various breaches of contract involve a "he said she said" between two companies - loads that I have worked on that's for sure. This issue really only seems to make the comments section when it comes to a potential sexual harassment claim by a woman. I haven't seen any credible explanation for why that is, other than that some commenters simply accord less weight to statements made by people claiming sexual harassment than any other people making other claims. Given that the majority of such claims do affect women (not always, but the majority) that looks a lot like sexism to me.
anonymous user
13/06/2018 17:34
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@12/06 18:38 - I think the issue here is that there is a tendency for sexual harassment accusations to be presented without any evidence, more so than other types of accusation, and there is a further tendency for people to attack anyone requesting the evidence, often by accusing them of sexism. The reason for this appears to be to create a climate where accusations of sexual harassment can be made without any evidence whatsoever without being questioned, and ultimately to over-report instances of sexual harassment. That looks a lot like sexism to me.

In this case, you'd need evidence from the accused and the accuser (we have neither). As has been said, providing evidence is not the same as identifying the parties, and while we all know we're not in court, the fact is that no evidence whatsoever has been provided to support this story, which means people will rightfully question it. Lots of people confuse believing what they want to believe with 'how evidence works' - its a common mistake!
anonymous user
14/06/2018 09:20
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@11/05 09:58 - although we don't know what happened here, workplace affairs do end badly on occasion, but to offer some reassurance, it is very rare for a partner in a law firm to resort to violence when an affair with a colleague ends. It is true though, the end of a workplace affair can impact the performance and well-being of both people involved.
  

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